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Sunday, 1 August 2010

Welcome to the Fourth Reich!

A guest post by John Watson.
This was posted on a National Newspaper’s comments forum by a person whose friends and family no doubt believe him to be a kind, considerate and decent man, judge for yourself:
"Smokers are the MOST SELFISH people ever.


They want to smoke, though they KNOW it irritates non-smokers.


These are the same men that grab girls' butts knowing it annoys them. Why? Cause they will hurt ANYONE if it makes them feel good.


It's time we started abusing smokers physically. Give them some of their own medicine. Heck, it would make me feel good, which is the only justification a smoker ever needed to hurt people.


- Peter Payne, London, UK, 30/7/2010 19:42"

Remember Peter’s words when next you read of a nurse murdered because she was forced to go off hospital grounds to smoke, a precedent has been set for that already, by inciting violence Peter you imply it is her own fault, that she deserved her fate perhaps, would you like to offer her still grieving relatives that as consolation as they relive the horror of that fateful day?

news-graphics-2006-_615238aNursing assistant Cheryl Moss, murdered because she was forced to go outside for a cigarette. R.I.P. Cheryl.

Remember too when a pub goer is beaten or murdered outside a pub when having a smoke like the soldier fresh home from the Afghan war, Peter, why don’t you go and tell his wife and child it was for the good of the bar staff, that he died saving their lives from smokers!

15634727 David Grout had returned from Afghanistan only seven hours before he was attacked. R.I.P. David.

Peter likens smokers to men who ‘grab girl’s butts knowing it annoys them’ he does not mention 75% of them may well be non smokers, He says it’s because smokers will hurt anyone if it feels good, wrong most violent offences may well have been committed by non smokers, 75% of the population are non smokers. I wonder how long it will be before the authorities magically produce statistics that say otherwise.

He advocates physical violence against one quarter of the population, which makes him no different to those who cheered the SA when they beat up on Hitler’s political opponents, who clapped and cheered the SS as they goose-stepped down the Unter den Linden in Berlin, or ridiculed and savagely beat some defenceless Jewess or elderly Jew.

He clearly supports those who exhibited rapture when the Nuremberg decrees forced Jews out of work and into ghetto housing in conditions unfit for human habitation, just as he supports the smoking shelters in which the law says are not fit to keep pigs in, No doubt he believes smoker’s should be unable to earn a living as some companies are beginning to do!

pigshelter-1Smokers verboten, pigs welcome.  

All those measures are directly comparable to Nazi Ideology. The government know this yet they still condone it, they commit to laws that 50 million died trying to prevent, and they pay lip service to the men and women who fought while implementing the very laws that the survivors friends died, often alone, often in great pain or slowly in a lifeboat hundreds of miles from land with little prospect of rescue, to protect us from. How much more contempt does the anti smoking lobby and Her Majesties Government want to pour onto the survivors heads?

Less than Three months into the coalition government and they decide to alienate a part of the population by offering choice to the pubic, large numbers of people sought to repeal the smoking ban so they snatched it away despite its clear popularity before the Great Repeal Bill even becomes law!

What does that say about the NHS who encourages this thinking by rewriting legislation to keep the modern day equivalent to Jews, the smoker off of hospital grounds?

What does it say about those who work for ASH, those who create these latter day Nazi policies and the politicians who rubber stamp them and make them law?

The unholy Quartet of Adolf Hitler, Joseph Goebbels, Heinrich Himmler and Julius Streicher must be having a fine celebration down there in Hell, The Fourth Reich has arrived, it lives in the heart of the old enemy, England! Spawned by ASH, legitimised by politicians, and executed by the likes of the author of the opening quote.

Of course Peter has the freedom to express his opinion, no matter how vile, as a former serviceman I would defend his freedom to do so to the death, whether I like his words or not, I will also condemn them if I believe them to be wrong.

Sadly he is not willing to allow smokers the freedom to smoke in their own establishments away from non smokers. Not for him is fairness or equality, to him and all those like him smokers are no different than the Jews were to the Nazis, Untermenschen.
Welcome to the Fourth Reich.
John Watson

11 comments:

Belinda said...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/feedback.html

Complain to the Daily Mail. I couldn't see a phone number so used this.

Anonymous said...

Nothing wrong with a bit of
physicals ,you cant wack giving
a hand waving anti freak,a reet
good slapping or the occasional
Glasgow kiss.
If the antis fancy a bit of violence,bring it on.

Ready when you are Nanny.

Bankrupt Bouncer

Pat Nurse said...

check out my blog which links to this post and the usual crap spouted by my resident anti Baz :(

I haven't time to take him to task today but wonder if anyone else wants some fun :)

Baz said...

for the last time (been saying it for years!), i'm not an anti!

If I was an anti I wouldn't be supporting some of the things you've said Pat..

I don't support a complete Ban on cigarettes, I don't support a ban in domestic households, I do support the ban on public places, but that doesn't make me an anti.. It makes me someone who has looked at the choices and made his. If we've all got "freedom 2 choose" then why can't I choose to not support smoking inside public buildings!.. why is that wrong!? aren't I allowed a freedom 2 choose, or am I only allowed to choose what you all tell me! Isn't that what you're accusing everyone else of!?

Baz said...

The initial comment by Peter Payne must have been removed.. since I can't actually find it!.. strange..

John Watson said...

Hello Baz,
Welcome to Freedom2Choose,leaving aside your satatus as an anti let me ask you this,

What are your grounds for objecting to smoking pubs run by smokers for smokers staffed by smokers with an 18+ policy on the door?

Would you not agree that knowing the alleged risks entry would be at the descretion of the customer b ethey smoker or non smoker?

Would you not agree that modern air management systems which ar ecapable of removing 99.97% of Nuclear, chemical and biological contaminants which includes cigarette smoke are more than capable of providing air of a quality better than that found on the street?

Would you not agree thatan 18+ policy on the door to keep minors away from the alleged risks of smoke would serve to protect them just as well as a complete ban?

Would you not agree that any non smoker who is aware of the alleged fact sabout smoking should be able to choose the kind of pub they wnat to frequent?

Would you not agree that this solution still gives you personally the freedom to choose the kind of pub you wish to frequent, smoking or non smoking as you have requested?

There is nothing strange about Pter Payne's comment being removed as a numbe rof complaints regarding its content have been recieved by the newspaper, I understand a number of replies to it have also been removed for inspection by moderators.

I hope that clears up the points you have raised here tonight so have a nice night!

Belinda said...

Hi Baz, yes Peter Payne's comment was removed along with all the other comments responding to it following (I don't know how many) complaints.

Baz said...

Hi Belinda. Thanks for letting me know.

Baz said...

Hi again John

Thanks for the welcome, (I'll say again I'm not an anti... unless you count anyone who doesn't smoke as an anti. in which case you are creating a "them and us" which is going to do nothing for your cause!

"What are your grounds for objecting to smoking pubs run by smokers for smokers staffed by smokers with an 18+ policy on the door?"

I have no grounds for objecting to that in theory. It sounds fine.. however when you look at the small print, it's not so easy. Firstly, it is the duty of every employer to make sure their staff are not in any risk or danger in their employ. This includes chemicals and toxic fumes. Putting your staff knowingly in danger, is against the law, and even if they knowingly agree it still is, because they are in a position to not argue, they need the money! People sell their organs for money, prostitutes sell their body and put themselves at risk of sti's for money. They know the risks, but still do it. Which is why these things are illegal. People who are unemployed are vulnerable. Government is there to protect the vulnerable.

"Would you not agree that modern air management systems which ar ecapable of removing 99.97% of Nuclear, chemical and biological contaminants which includes cigarette smoke are more than capable of providing air of a quality better than that found on the street?"

I would definately agree they do produce good air quality, however in the UK we have some of the worlds oldest pubs. There is a pub where I live that's 300 years old.. has low ceilings, an open fire, small rooms, and there is no way that a modern air con could fit in there. I speak as an interior designer who knows a little about this. The cost involved in converting pubs to have these systems is many thousands. In the case of very old buildings, because of regulations, conversion isn't an option. Of course, in new build pubs a modern air con is usually standard.

"Would you not agree thatan 18+ policy on the door to keep minors away from the alleged risks of smoke would serve to protect them just as well as a complete ban?"

I think the current laws regarding age of drinking are fine. Most pubs serve allow children access because they realise that the family market is the biggest market out there. This is why there has been a boom in pubs with children play areas attached or pubs with outside play gardens. There is still a legal age for which you can buy alcohol and cigarettes which I agree with.

"Would you not agree that any non smoker who is aware of the alleged fact sabout smoking should be able to choose the kind of pub they wnat to frequent?"

We shouldn't have to choose on the basis of smoking or non-smoking, I should be able to go to my 300 year old pub and enjoy it. Not have to breathe in someone elses smoke.

I realise that you might not agree with me on many of these things John. I'm not asking you to.. however, in not agreeing it doesn't make me an anti- nor a Nazi. It makes me someone who's looked at the facts and has made a decision based on them. If any new evidence came to light that said smoking was 100% harmless then I'd be the first to say.. wahey! get in there.

The Filthy Engineer said...

Baz,

Just one question. How many people have on their death certificates "Died from secondhand smoke"? I think you'll find the number is very small. In fact it is zero. Prove me wrong by giving me one name that can be verified. Even the WHO have admitted that statistically SHS has no significant level to cause mortality. I'm afraid mate, you are one of the brainwashed masses who believe anything your told.

Baz said...

TFE.

I'm not talking about SHS. This is a pro-choice website, you are supposidly arguing for your choice to smoke inside public spaces. I am talking about choices.. Whether SHS causes cancer or not doesn't interest me, it might have no effect or an effect, that isn't important.. what interests me is the following:

philosophical point of...

Why does your CHOICE to pollute air that we BOTH breathe in a contained space override my CHOICE to breathe in air that is clean!?

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