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Wednesday, 28 July 2010

The war on smoking is not over, the battle for Britain is about to begin!


ASH say a lot but debate nothing, they make choices on my behalf without my consent or authority, they are a charity not a government in being, they monopolise the media where those like me are not able to debate as they turn off comments, in fact for the most part they use the media as propaganda outlets no different to the Deutsche Beobachter, Jews were not allowed equal representation in that publication just as most comments by ASH disbar debate by smokers and this is why I will have my say at any venue that accepts free speech, free expression and why I want to take the fight to ASH.

The public health charity, Action on Smoking and Health (ASH), has responded to a call by a group of MPs for the re-introduction of smoking in pubs, arguing that research proves there is little public support for such a measure.

That certainly is not what the people are saying at all, one of the top bills for which repeal or amendment is demanded is the Health act of 2006… how can you say that the reverse is true when this event is happening as we speak?

The growth of websites and facebook pages testify to the growing resistance to the anti smoking lobby, climb out of your ivory tower and look at the real world!

Even the MOD denounce you they maintain that the taxation that you demand pays Al Qaeda and other terrorist organisations that are killing our troops in Afghanistan by encouraging the smuggling of tobacco and sales on the black market. You may of course accuse smokers who buy on the black market of the same but the bottom line is that you created the situation not the smokers.

In fact ASH says its research, conducted between 2007 and 2010 by YouGov, suggests the opposite to be true, i.e. that smokers would welcome an extension of the smoking ban rather than a relaxation of the law.

In addition, ASH says that returning to “the bad old days of smoky pubs” would be a disastrous move because:

  • recent research from the University of Bath shows how smoke-free legislation has accelerated the reduction in heart attacks (a drop of 2.5% on top of the long-term trend) and saved the NHS in England more than £8 million in the first year…

To start with ASH began with outrageous claims of the drop in heart attack rates, until the official figures proved you wrong so why should anyone believe these?

You say you saved £8 million, fine but that £8million now pays the benefits of those who ASH put out of work keeping children on the poverty line because the pub their parent worked at is now closed. That is before the £millions of pounds lost to revenue as more smokers buy abroad or on the Black market, every £ lost to revenue is a £ less the NHS receives!

  • with every passing year, the smoke-free law gets more and more popular and now commands the support of 80% of English adults with support growing fastest among smokers…

I think my opening paragraph covers that particular piece of propaganda, Dr. Joseph Goebbels will give you an ‘F’ for that effort!

“The receptivity of the great masses is very limited, their intelligence is small, but their power of forgetting is enormous. In consequence of these facts, all effective propaganda must be limited to a very few points and must harp on these in slogans until the last member of the public understands what you want him to understand by your slogan. As soon as you sacrifice this slogan and try to be many-sided, the effect will piddle away, for the crowd can neither digest nor retain the material offered. In this way the result is weakened and in the end entirely cancelled out. “

“The function of propaganda is, for example, not to weigh and ponder the rights of different people, but exclusively to emphasize the one right which it has set out to argue for. Its task is not to make an objective study of the truth, in so far as it favours the enemy, and then set it before the masses with academic fairness; its task is to serve our own right, always and unflinchingly.”

Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf writing about propaganda!

Hitler also said: “If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.”

It is these tactics ASH use, this is the view of the British public that ASH holds, and they clearly hold us all with complete and utter contempt.

  • in response to claims that the law has been bad for the licensed trade, government figures show the number of premises licensed for “on sales” actually increased by 5% the year England and Wales went smoke free

  • the law has worked well and if anything the Government should be looking at ways to strengthen it.

That was years ago, what is the current situation, is it so dire that you dare not use up to date figures?

You say the law has worked well, if the intent was to kill off the pub trade and put 100,000 on the dole then yes it has worked really well, strengthening a bad law makes the situation worse, is that what you honestly advocate?

Martin Dockrell, ASH’s Director of Policy and Research, said: “All the evidence points to high and growing support for the smoke-free law, including among smokers. There just isn’t the evidence to support a return to the bad old days of smoky pubs and clubs. Instead of rolling back a law that is working well, we would urge the Government to focus on a comprehensive tobacco control strategy that will continue to drive down smoking rates and improve public health.”

I think Martin, in light of the case presented against your statement, you had better get a new cause, this one is blowing up in your face!

Like you Martin I have an urge, I would urge every free thinking citizen to join the fight against your brand of tyranny. I urge them to lobby their MP’s to repeal this abomination of law, to cease funding your organisation which has caused so much damage to our country.

I would urge smokers to seek out legitimate means of obtaining tobacco products by joining the resistance and make use of the excellent guide to dealing with customs procedure presented by Smoking Hot.

I have no doubt that Martin Dockrell will not come out to honestly debate his beliefs, it is not ASH’s policy to debate with those who disagree with them so the only choice is to bring on the debate with ASH in absentia, I have previously asked that they do so and they have declined, to do so as is their right, so let them not be surprised when people open debate with out them, they have abdicated their right to object when they stand condemned in the court of public opinion because they refuse to defend their position in open debate.

ASH started this war against the smoking minority, they seek to remove a legitimate freedom, all free peoples have the right to maintain their freedom , to fight for freedoms lost or in jeopardy, when freedom is denied to any minority then freedom is denied to all.

The text of the full article may be found here.

John Watson



Pat Nurse said...

ASH does not speak for me - NOT IN MY NAME!

TheBigYin said...


Pat, there is no need to shout unless we all shout together, so lets all shout together...NOT IN MY NAME!

Anonymous said...

I think the resistance just found its battlecry:


John Watson

TheBigYin said...

Ohhhh yes, as the Churchill dog says in the adverts.

Dick Puddlecote said...

Don't forget that the University of Bath study was written by a board member of ASH.

Anonymous said...

Before we start the fight for Victory has anyone got any ideas on recruitment,we are bit on the slack side in the infantry,
something snappy and colourfull to catch the eyes of the non digital

Just a thought.

John,, Was the Deutsche Beobachter
a follower of the even more tasty
Bayerische Beobachter.

The Depleted Legion

John Watson said...

Now that is a thought Anon, it could pay dividends to put that forward on the resistance facebook page and see if an address can be found for those without internet access or those who prefer to hand out leaflets can write to to get them and a way to fund related leaflets cards ect as well as a download.

As far as I am aware Julius Streicher the editor of the Deutsche Beobachter has no connection to the Bayerische Beobachter, since he was hung at Nuremberg for war crimes we cannot ask him.

Mr A said...

The fact that ASH are, as always, lying comes with their refusal to debate the issue. It comes with their attempts to smear the real citizens and individuals who are calling for repeal as tobacco industry stooges. It comes with their not wanting to put their money where their mouth is. If the ban is indeed so popular repeal it. Repeal it in one city even, as a trial. If the ban is so popular we should see few pubs allowing smoking, we should see few smokers and non-smokers frequenting the pubs that DO allow smoking.

However, we all know what would happen if they did do that, and so do ASH. Indeed, we've already had a taster with that pub that briefly became a "smoking research facility" and its profits increased by 500% in one week.... before ASH forced them to stop.

These scum should be ashamed at themselves for the misery they knowingly and deliberately inflict in the name of a belief system they KNOW few others support. But the politicians who have belived them in the past should feel even worse.

Anonymous said...

Once again excellent.

John Watson, gets better and better with his articulate and accurate pieces.

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