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Friday, 1 October 2010

Freedom2Choose: Smoking Ban Survey of Licensees (2010)

There is no doubt that the smoking ban experiment (an experiment in social control) was pushed onto the hospitality industry, as well as the much maligned smoker who frequented their establishments, with some collusion by the big Pubco bosses.

There is also no doubt that they are suffering financially for that collusion but where there is vast sums of money involved any big business can ride out the lean times when they can live off the fat from good years gone by, but during a famine the fat is eaten into, and as long as the famine does not go on to long they can survive on a meagre diet.

But what about their tenants? How do they survive as the Pubco robs them of a living with high rents and the beer tie, and the government robs them of smokers money? And the free house publican? How does he/she survive without customers who now feel shunned so drink at home or a smoky drinky place where both drinking and smoking can be done in the warmth away from the elements?

What I have mentioned above is the reasons why pubs are closing at an unprecedented rate, not cheap supermarket booze, not the credit crunch but the smoking ban experiment.

So what is the real state of our pubs and clubs? What do the people at the sharp end who face, or have faced bankruptcy have to say? Well freedom2Choose, with its network of members throughout the UK, asked the men and women at the coalface, and they were more truthful than any trumped up ‘third hand smoke’ survey or cherry picked nonsense from ASH.

Below is the main text of the survey but some charts are missing but that does not detract from the survey, you can read the full text in the YuDu document to be found at the bottom of this post. This post will coincide with the press release of The Licensees View.

Press: For more information on the survey you can contact John H Baker, office, Freedom2Choose on 08456 439 469 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              08456 439 469      end_of_the_skype_highlighting or email

The Licensees View

A survey of 570 public houses across England
Completed in July 2010

The Nation's Leading Pro-Choice Organisation

Freedom2Choose seeks to protect the informed choices of consenting adults with sensible and achievable goals on the issues of smoking. We actively campaign to prevent victimisation of smokers, social division, social isolation and to alleviate the negative social and economic impacts of the smoking ban. We are funded entirely by donations from the general public and have no connections whatsoever with the tobacco or pharmaceutical industries.

Our membership comprises of smokers and non smokers.

Supported by:

Working Men’s Clubs and Institutes Union (WMCIU)
The Freedom Association
Justice for Licensees
C.Gars Ltd. London
“theedgwareroadassociation” Shisha bar community

This survey was carried by freedom2choose executive members,
members and trusted supporters.

Over a period of two months 570 venues were surveyed in five different regions, comprising:-

North East          118
North West         120
Midlands            112
London              106
S Coast              114
Total                  570

Respondents came from all types of Public Houses, ie, Managed, Tenanted, Freehold. Approximately 70% were pub visitation surveys while the remaining 30% (distanced) were via telephone during the months of May, June and early July 2010.

All respondents were guaranteed total anonymity for:-

a)...concerns of repercussions from Brewery/Pubco.
b)...totally honest answers.

With less than 60,000 pubs remaining in this country the survey represents approximately 1% of those remaining pubs. It is well documented that in excess of 6,500 pubs/clubs have closed down since July 1st, 2007.

This survey mirrors the situation in Scotland where 11.5% of pubs have closed down since implementing their ban:-


After 3 years of the total smoking ban, freedom2choose, the nationwide organisation concerned with giving people choice undertook a survey of remaining public houses. A total of 570 licensees were interviewed with the results summarised on the following pages. Under guarantee of anonymity all respondents willingly gave their views.

General view of licensees to the ban

More than 80% of pub operators want improvements to be made to the law to accommodate smokers.
They are strongly opposed to the outright ban as laid down by law and implemented 1st July, 2007. The initial expectancy of “millions of new drinkers” filling the pubs has long since died and has been replaced with the knowledge that 5%-10% of non smokers followed in their smoker-friends footsteps.

Of the 570, only 45 licensees - 8% - want a full ban with 72% proposing that the outlets should be split into
smoking and non-smoking areas or rooms.

Interestingly, 172 licensee’s (30%), or their partners, were smokers which means that 253 NON smoking licensees wanted change to the ban!

Has the industry retained its traditional Structures?

There has been a significant change in the way pubs are run since the smoke ban was implemented in 2007. Many have felt forced into the food side to survive. This does not guarantee good food!

In excess of 95% of English pubs surveyed had more than one room, making separation of smokers and non-smokers relatively simple and effective.

Although food has become more important in recent years 35% of pubs serve no food at all and a further 29% rely on it for less than a quarter of their turnover. The general consensus was that providing there was a smoke free area/room in which to serve/eat food smokers could still occupy other parts of a pub.

The importance of smokers to the industry

In this relatively traditional community market customers who choose to smoke are a very important part of the business. 68% of licensees believed that over half of their ‘regular’ customers (who visited at least twice a week) were smokers: – 

37% of them believed that three quarters or more of their regulars smoked Now that they, and a proportion of their non smoking friends have ’walked,’ pubs are generally bereft of clientele. Pre July, 2007, there were considerably more smokers using pubs than non smokers. Estimates ranged from between 65%-75%.


This survey has highlighted the fact that many pubs relied heavily on smokers for their trade. As much as 90% of core customers were smokers in many northern/midland pubs, which is reflected in the closures figures.

Although smoking rates had steadily decreased by the decade since the 1950’s anti smoking bodies saw fit to force more legislation through, using ‘protection of workers’ as the driving force. The unintended consequence of ‘protecting the workers’ is that 100,000 have lost their jobs in the hospitality sector. Of course, it is well known that losing one’s job is a very stressful occurrence. According to the British Heart Foundation (TV ads) stress is the biggest single cause of heart attacks.

It should be noted that the anti smoking bodies carefully hid the true facts of the unemployment & misery caused by smoking bans.

There were many that suggested bar staff, if concerned by passive smoking, should have an option of either serving smokers or not.

The impact of the smoking ban on jobs

Sadly pre ban judgements  have proven to be extremely lightweight as the industry has seen almost 100,000 lose their previously safe employment. This figure also includes businesses allied to the pub trade; i.e., BellFruit-Gum (Nottingham) were forced to lay off 50% of their workforce just before Christmas 2009. (Gaming machines usage/repairs fell  dramatically.) One licensee, having run two pubs simultaneously, was forced to shut the ‘landlocked’ premises, losing 5 staff and reduce his other option by 3 staff.

None of those interviewed considered increasing staff as a possibility in the foreseeable future, with many being reduced to husband/wife only. It has also been revealed that many licensees now fail to earn anywhere near the minimum hourly wage and many pubs, especially in the north are only opening part time to save costs.
Quote:- I was talking to a former pub landlord from Wetherby a couple of nights ago and he thinks the smoking ban has destroyed pubs. One of Wetherby's main pubs near the river closed down earlier this year. In that region there used to be 40+ pubs and now they are down to 11. Thanks, Jenny.

Worse still, the smoking ban has brought Britain’s major Pubcos to their knees. Both companies built considerable empires, but both built on debt/loans. The smoke ban has seen the Pubcos closing outlets at an unprecedented rate,-many being sold to property development companies in order to reduce vast debts.

It is obvious that the smoke ban has wreaked havoc in the employment area as many northern & midland pubs have been forced to cut staff (i.e., wages) to a bare minimum. Indeed, many of the pubs are now run as husband & wife teams only. The S/Coast was the only area where any significant change had
occurred but this was found to be because large outdoor areas had been created for eating & drinking purposes-thus non smokers ate & drank alongside smokers anyway!

It was also noticed that the ‘gay bars’ on the South Coast seemed to hold their own with the smoke ban-but having said that, the gay community are a notoriously ‘closed-knit’ community.

Obviously staff numbers reduced again in the winter.

This survey of 570 public houses fully supports industry figures of 100,000 job losses since the ban, with 544 pubs reducing staff levels (approximately 94.5%).

The cost of the smoking ban

One has to ask the question, just how much money is any government prepared to lose in benefit payments;

Unemployment Benefit
Jobseekers Allowance
Income Support
Family Credit Tax
Housing Benefits
Re-Housing costs etc

before they admit that a law was poorly thought out and badly implemented?

At the same time one has to ask just how much lost revenue are they willing put up with as pub closures steadily rise? Yet simple changes to the existing law would obliterate most of the above! WMCIU have seen bar takings drastically reduced since July, 2007. It is reported that each Gala/Mecca Bingo hall that closes costs the government £785,000 per annum in revenue.
Last year alone saw £253m spent on smoke cessation programmes alone, yet the results were negligible with only a 4 week quit figure as any form of guidance.

The impact of a smoking ban on the local community

Pre ban there was considerable concern that a ban would lead to problems in the local community with smokers forced outside or into the street. This has proven to be a major problem as over 41% did not have an outside area that could be used as an area for smokers.
Quote:- If it’s sunny day lad, ah can fill yard 3 times over wit’ smokers, but can I do same with innards-no chance! (Northern licensee)
The result being that many formerly viable businesses have been forced to close. Many have had complaints recorded against them because of smokers outside. One licensee is being sued for loss of value to property (£50,000) because of this consequence.

Noise disturbance for neighbours has been another unintended consequence and councils have become more and more involved in such complaints. One licensee has a 9pm curfew imposed by his local council concerning outside drinking.

Another licensee, in Hastings, (The Fox Inn) held an external disco for her customers (90% smokers) only for 1 neighbour to complain. The ensuing court appearance cost her £3,000 in fines & costs. She sold the pub.

Many non smoking pub goers have complained about “having to walk through a wall of smoke” to actually enter a pub; a simple example of an unforeseen consequence of smoking bans.

Further complaints have rolled in about smokers using the beer gardens to smoke & drink, but where has this law put them?

On the other hand, smokers have complained bitterly about the so-called ‘smoking shelters’ allowed, as they have to be 50% open to the elements. This of course means that, being basically useless as shelters, the elderly and the infirm (smokers) cannot visit the pubs/clubs in colder times.

The smoking ban has led to a dramatic increase in drinking in the home.

Obviously it is impossible to arrive at a definite figure but looking at the decline in customer pub usage against the rapidly rising beer sales at supermarkets it would seem that pre ban concerns were right.

One northern police force has indicated that this has resulted in a rapid increase in domestic violence cases. Yet another ‘unintended consequence’ of an overly zealous ban.

Whole communities are now denied a focal point for meeting and socialising as village after village pub closes down through lack of custom. Many council estate pubs have closed for similar reasons. Thousands of elderly and infirm members of our society have been isolated throughout the winter months due to the ban. In short, the ban has divided communities nationwide.

Responsible alternatives to a total destructive ban:

As already shown, 80% of licensees surveyed want a change in the law (Similar calls for reform in Scotland.)
However, implementation has been very difficult for many pubs. With many pubs venturing into the ‘eatery’ market we will soon have an overpopulation of cheap food houses which, inevitably, will bring more closures.
a) A reasonable option put forward is to allow smoking (multi-room premises) in at least one room. If this sensible option were adopted all pubs would have at least one, and most several, non-smoking rooms. Note here that the WMCIU provided a 98% vote in favour of this option. (Survey 2009)
b) A second inexpensive option would be to allow large single roomed pubs to divide that room by the simple means of a newly created ‘stud’ type wall, plastered and decorated with a dividing door. 92% were favour of either option.
c) For the very smallest pubs (1 single room) where this would be impractical, allow the licensee the freedom of choice to decide for him/herself. The owner knows his/her business best. Note:- The European measure has worked extremely well; i.e., premises of a less than ‘x’ sq metres floor-space are exempt. Customers, especially non smokers, have a choice of whether to enter or not.
d) The most popular option is to improve the level of ventilation in the premises at an average cost of up to £3000. Modern Air Quality management Systems (AQMS) are of such high quality that they are used in hospital theatres to rid the air of such as MRSA etc. AQMS filtrate the air to such a degree that the air returned is 4 x’s cleaner than the air we breathe in on a daily basis. (Prof: Andrew Geens of-Glamorgan University)

The 2010 survey of English pubs has proven that the smoking ban implemented 1st July, 2007 has been a social & economic disaster.

As a tool used to cull the hospitality sector the smoking ban has been a resounding success!

At the time of this report 6,500 venues have closed down and this figure will  undoubtedly continue to increase the longer the law stays in its present format. (closures averaging 32-45 per week)
There are many options open to Government for reforming the legislation which can accommodate both smokers & non smokers, owners & staff. Many licensees may wish to remain smoke free due to increase in food sales and/or they have decided to go ‘food orientated’ and have invested accordingly.

However, thousands of pubs have neither the space nor facilities to do so, therefore must remain wet led. They must have choice.

It is obvious that the majority of licensees want to see a reform of the smoking ban as their business is unsustainable in its present format.

On the question of staffing arrangements the answer is simple. Any prospective staff have the choice of whether they apply for smoking environment or non smoking environment re employment.

It is now beyond any reasonable doubt that smokers in pubs and pub survival go hand in hand. The pre-ban lies (blatant) and empty promises were merely a fabrication to ease the passage of the bill through parliament as the closures below prove:-

Annual Pub Closure Figures for 2005 to 2010
2005: 400
2006: 400
2007: 1,409
2008: 1,973
2009: 1,352
2010: 1,466 (to date)

The proof of smoking ban damage to pubs/clubs was already there; ie; Scotland, S Ireland and America but ignored for non alarmist/propaganda purposes.
It should also be noted that Punch Taverns share-price stood at £13.68 immediately before the implementation of the ban. They can now be purchased at around 70p per share. Smoking bans are bad for investors as well as businesses.

What is clear is that F2C have uncovered a deep vein of dissatisfaction with the smoking ban as it now stands. It's seen as far too all-embracing, draconian and makes no allowances for variations or choice. Even where pubs have a separate room which could accommodate smokers, as many in the survey pointed out, they are simply not allowed to. The wishes of many pub goers are not taken into account by the law and the results have been bad news for many pubs. Choice- this is what F2C is all about.'

The Licensee’s View
(presented by

Review of ‘The Licensees View’ by Dr Ruth Cherrington. Produced by Freedom to Choose.

This report offers information about the negative effects of the smoking ban on public houses including loss of clientele, sociability and closures. The stated source of information upon which the report is written is given on the title pages as ‘as a survey of 570 public houses across England, completed in July 2010.’

The regions of the pubs involved are given clearly with a spread across the country. The report then details how pub operators are ‘strongly opposed to the outright ban as laid down by law and implemented 1st July 2007.’ Some details of the opposition is provided in the pages that follow as well as views from pub users such as the problem created by non-smokers having to walk through the smoky beer gardens and outside areas of pubs. This is certainly an unanticipated consequence of the ban which has turned inside into outside and perhaps shifted the smoke problem somewhere else.

Other useful information is provided about the closures of pubs since the ban and the bleak looking future that lies ahead, not only for pub operators but clientele. Many non-smokers, it is stated, have ‘walked’ with their smoking friends because they don’t want to socialise without their friends presumably and no longer find that pubs have a social atmosphere.

This is a useful and interesting document which clearly shows there is plenty of room for change within this law which would ensure a fairer 'playing field' for all and a virtual cessation of closures.

It is also abundantly clear that freedom2choose have gone to great lengths, in this survey, to amplify the above.

Dr Ruth Cherrington, Snr Lecturer, Media & Cultural Studies,
Cultural Consultant to The Nation's Leading Pro-Choice Organisation.

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jredheadgirl said...

Good work Phil, John, and F2C!!

Mr A said...

Excellent, excllent stuff!

Now what are you going to do with? 600+ copies to the MPs? The antis may not read it and they certainly won't change theire minds, but it'll remind them that this issue is not going to go away. And waverers may just be swayed....

Eddie Douthwaite said...

Has this been issued as a Press Release and is there a link to it?

TheBigYin said...

Good question Eddie. I was informed to publish this blog post at 10:30 sharp as our press officer would send out a press release at the same time with a link to this blog.

Don't know what has happened but will provide that link when I get it. I will chase it up now.

Eddie Douthwaite said...

This is the link to the Press Release:-

Anonymous said...

Maybe someone should email this information to all MPs with public email addresses, over and over and over and over again.

It looks like at the website you input the webpage, you input the email address, click send and it automatically converts it to .pdf and sends it to them.

Sit there and load up the .pdf convertor tool hundreds of times over and over again with the same website information and various email addresses for MPs and you can pretty much be sure it will fill up their email boxes and that they will have gotten the news and can't say they didn't.

No sense in emailing it to Ash as they already know the truth, but are the instigators for lying about it, so sending to them would be useless.

banned said...

I got around to reading Wetherspoons Sept/Oct in house mag the other day.
Tim Martins two page leader was devoted to slagging off the Coalition for being as bad as the socialists' damaging policies towards pubs. He blamed all sorts of things for pub closures but not once did he refer to the smoking ban, twat.

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