Nigel Farage on Stony Stratford smoking ban debacle.

While we wait for an update from that most libertarian of bloggers, Dick Puddlcote, on his day out at Stony Stratford, lets listen to one of the speakers at SS today, Nigel Farage:

Thanks Nigel, you say what most people are thinking.

He hates me, he hates me not, he hates me?

A personal view by TheBigYin

Brown urges party to 'fight for fairness' (except for smokers!)

 All the things you do, all the things you say, I'll we'll be watching you!

Yeah, that'll do it, you bastard, you and my your party fucked lied to me us smokers voters. To Brown and my now ex labour party I say this...I BLOODY HATE YOU, you, the Labour party, hate me, and my 12 + million voting pals so I have ceased to listen to you, all of you lying cheating bastards. I will be conned by liars and cheats now and again but even I can see that this is one lie to bloody often!

I cried through the lean years after every General Election, yearning for a Labour victory after 1979, even after the [Labour] disasters that had went before. In 1997 I finally was relieved that the Tory era was over but little did I know what was to replace it!

At first, in 2006, I still thought you would not go through with it, I thought that you were a caring party that was for the working class and working class ethics, and culture...how fucking wrong were we was I? 

In this video, you said:

The Labour party is the greatest force for fairness this country has ever seen?

Then you said:

Our country has been moving forward for the past few years, the Cancer guarantee, the fox hunting ban, smokefree public places and xxx.

No, I am no fan of killing animals for fun but I do think there could have been a compromise between Labour and the hunting fraternity as could have been between smokers, pubs, clubs and  businesses that should have business rights, a thing that Labour seems to frown upon, rights! Anybodies rights! You [the Labour party] trample over rights with an armoured tank.

Smoker, hunter, gatherer, you are being watched!

I would not, and will not try and influence anyones vote, not even my wife's vote. To me your vote is sacrosanct!

You all know by now, by previous posts, where my vote is going. And if my favoured party is not standing then, rather than vote for the LibLabCon or an independant that is whole heartidly agains the smoking ban, amongst other things, then I WILL vote for BNP, and I do believe they are standing in this area. It is not my favoured choice but, as I said, if my back is up against the wall...

That bloody video.

As Phil Johnson has already told our readers about the video on the right hand side of this blog called "fightback" we have Patsy Nurse's account of how she, Dave Atherton and Councillor Malcolm  Davis from UKIP, which I reproduce here in full.

Many of you have probably heard by now through the Freedom2Choose blog that a visit to complain about the Birmingham North and East PCT's graphically violent video which shows a smoker getting beaten to death is to be removed from the web.

I was so outraged when I first saw the video that I complained. The background to why and how it was made, and the wider campiagn that it was part of, was explained but I didn't feel that it justified what I saw as a very irresponsible video which I honestly believe could incite violence against smokers.

Dave Atherton at Freedom2Choose agreed to come with. He is someone very useful to have on side because of the meticulous research he has done on the issue of smoking and health and the talent he has for quoting statistics when it matters.

Also present to add his voice to the complaint was Dudley Councillor Malcolm Davis (pictured above) . It was very important that the complaint had some kind of political punch and a local aspect to it so the BEN PCT couldn't wriggle out of it by saying it wasn't meant to be seen by a wider audience, which they did.

It is important to add that UKIP was the ONLY party to lend this support. Others chose not to. If I could have mustered representatives from ALL political parties that would have been great but the others were not interested.

Malcolm, a non-smoker, was appalled by the video which he could not access on his council computer because it was blocked as having "unsuitable content" because of the graphic violence. When he managed to see it via a friend's computer, his resposne was "revolting."

The very nice ladies we saw at the PCT from the Communications, complaints, performance and organisational development, and health improvement departments, explained that there was no malice intended by the campaign which was aimed specifically at white males aged between 35 and 55 from their area. They also claim that "hardened" smokers were used as a focus group which approved the video.

I found that hard to believe and I was particulalry astounded when the ladies quoted the figure of 70% of smokers say they want to quit and the PCT has a duty to help them.

I pointed out that I know of many smokers who I chat to outside of public places, and many I interact with on pro-choice forums, who would disagree with the 70% figure. The ladies said I probably talk to the 30% who don't want to quit. It seems no-one has a "duty" to help them and they can be justifiably ignored.

When I pointed out that I believe the NHS is the enemy of the smoker, and even if I was dying from a heart attack I wouldn't go to hosiptal because of the way we are treated, I was told that hospitals would care for smokers in the same dignified way as non-smokers. I asked if they would have a campaign pointing that out to those smokers who don't want to quit and the answer was no. Of course not. I was therefore left with the assumption that 30% of smokers in this country don't matter to anyone at all, except, it would seem, UKIP.

The ladies disupted that smokers were stigmatised until Dave and I pointed out that being excluded from every public place in Britian was certainly evidence of such stigmatisation.

We also had a general discussion about NRT, and other quit smoking methods that were far more effective than those offered by the NHS. It was pointed out that neither the NHS, and their pharmacuetical sponsors, or the Tobacco companies could claim moral high ground as both compete to provide smokers with nicotine and money - billions of it - was the motivating factor.

I also informed the ladies of violent incidents and deaths by smoking ban that that have occurred since July 2007 between smokers and anti-smokers including those in the Uk of a father who killed his wife because she wouldn't give up smoking and his children so that they could be with her, and the father who beat his 12 year-old son for smoking.

Dave pointed out that those who hate smokers would see the video as justification to attack because they wouldn't see the analogy that was intended.

The video cost about £10,000 to make. Coun Davis said the money would have been better used in direct patient care than to propagate violence against a minority group.

The PCT tried to say it couldn't remove the video. I said if it wasn't removed then my complaint would be taken to the Ombudsman. Dave pointed out that Jane De Ville Almond, the anti-smoking nurse who called for smokers to be left to die if they didn't give up, had a video of her bigoted views removed by claiming copywright and the PCT could do the same.

They said they would remove it in two weeks when the campaign ends. I said that was too long and I would like to see it gone immediately. The PCT said they would review it and put in writing their decision. That hasn't come through yet but as F2C has sent out a press release, and blogged about it, I thought I should too - although I would have rather waited for that confirmation to come through first.

One final point of note is that the PCT said it hadn't received any other complaints. I know that at least one was sent through and several others have been received by F2C.

This is yet another victory for the pro-choice movment and smokers who have had enough and are not prepared to sit back and allow such violent and untrue propaganda against them to continue.

UKIP gain another couple of purveyors of common sense

UKIP seem to have an in-built gravity when it comes to politicians devoid of illogical and damaging self-indulgent poppycock.

THE United Kingdom Independent Party (Ukip) have gained their first seats in the South Wales Valleys after two Independent councillors pledged their allegiance to the party.

Merthyr Tydfil Councillors Adam Brown and Neil Greer announced they were joining Ukip following a heated debate regarding foster carers and smoking.

Merthyr Council last week became the first in Wales to impose a blanket ban on smokers adopting or fostering children.

Both members joined the Independently-led Council in May 2008, but say they have since become “despondent” about the way the council is running things.

They are not alone. It's a malaise amongst the political classes that they are now so comprehensively mired in dogma and righteous diktats that they have become insulated from the realities of life.

Simply by being smokers, foster carers are quite plainly no danger to children by any measurement. Even tedious witches at ASH have, in the past, made this very clear, and that is saying something, ain't it?

Don't hate the smoker

This is not what Action on Smoking and Health is fighting for - we are anti-smoking, yes, but not anti-smoker and in today's climate we think that there is a very real danger that smokers are being marginalised in our society.*

That these councillors are willing to make a stand is laudable enough. That they did so in protection of kids disenfranchised deliberately by idiots encased in the political goldfish bowl is inspiring. That UKIP were their party of choice proves that Farage and his mates are attempting to corner the market in good old-fashioned common sense.**

In the meantime, vulnerable children will continue to suffer child abuse from Merthyr Tydfil council, until such time as they stop mutually-masturbating in their ivory tower, and start treating people as human beings rather than the stuff of self-promoting press releases.

* If you would shut the fuck up occasionally, Deborah Arnott, such pronouncements from you wouldn't be as necessary, of course. See what you have done?

** There is another party to consider in this regard, you can read about them by clicking here.